Criticism that is out of personal vindicta and is positive for the cadre should always be accepted and as such, I accept it .This should also be viewed in a positive way as it can spur us to do better. It is an opportunity to improve. I always liked your thoughts but at the same time it is also reality that we, as IP cadre man, cannot move all the things as per our will. You cannot say that in the meeting we have not defended ourselves. In fact, in the cadre review meeting we were not allowed to raise any issue except cadre restructuring. For cadre review, this time official side put forth IP/ASP merger condition. The modalities to utilize the upgraded posts will be mutually worked out in the meeting that will now be held only as and when the Association gives merger proposal in writing.
Truly speaking no officer present in the meeting showed his/her awareness about the court verdict. Still, our President read out the requisite quotations of the Judgement of Hon’ble court to make all and sundry aware. Accepting the reality, our GS is pursuing the GP issue with respondent no. 1. and whatsoever data will be required from respondent 2 will be got supplied to Secretary(F). Association knows that we have an ordeal and grievous kind of issues before us. We have before us struggle of suffering but we can attest these with our united strength only. Therefore, this is not the time to play blame game. If you ask what our policy is?-- I can say go for agitation –can you-I do not think because we have tested all of you. I at this stage can request you to take up every task with buoyancy and hope. GP of Rs.4600/- for IP is our right and we will get it. Department is also taking every step for this .Only thing is that we are keeping all the options, including merger of IP/ASP, open. I have given words to Sh. Permanand and I kept it. You may believe it or not.Don't allow the history to repeat. After 5th pay commission we can not get pay parity with CBDT/CBEC because of our indecisiveness and wavering mind.Our case was referred to 6th pay commission. I have been a sufferer of that time when I was also young energetic and enthusiastic.
Now you may again take me otherwise because truth is always bitter. In near future IP promoted through seniority cum fitness to PS Group “B” will not provably be elevated to Class-I as all JTS posts are going to be captured by the young PS Group “B” officers promoted through LDCE. Someone has to think how promotion from 165-point roster can be restricted to 19% & 6% in JTS too. You can take example of JTS DPC held recently where more than 50% promote are from LDCE blocking all the JTS posts for 7-8 years.
Any way information on sanctioned strength of the posts of IP/ASP available with me is:
Division | ASP Dn | ASP(HQ) | IP(CI) | IP(OS) | ASP Sub Dn. | IP Sub Dn. | ASP in HSG-I Post | Total ASP IP | |||
Postal | 238 | 407 | 407 | 53 | 596 | 1202 | 137 | 1378 | 1662 | ||
RMS | 75 | 21 | 35 | 31+193 | 117+87 | 7 | 327 | 239 | |||
Others | 331 | 216 | |||||||||
G Total | 2036 | 2116 | |||||||||
STS Posts | -198 | JTS POSTS- | 67+86( reserve) | ||||||||
14 comments:
Dear Sir,
First of all Thanks for you help while fighting the CAT case for Inspector post Grade pay. With reference to the discussion on 02.11.2011 (one day before the cadre restructuring meeting), I want to put forth the following few lines for your views.
In the judgement of OA 381/2010 filed for the Grade pay of Inspector Posts, the Hon'ble CAT has categorically stated in the second last para No.33 that
".....the case has been considered and the Tribunal is of the considered view that there is no justification in denying the Inspector (Posts) the higher Grade Pay of Rs 4600 when the same is admissible to Inspectors of other Departments with whom parity has been established by the very Sixth Pay Commission vide its report at para 7.6.14 extracted above........"
If the the Association also agrees to the above fact that there is no justification in denying the Inspector (Posts) the higher Grade Pay of Rs 4600, then why we are allowing the Department to link the issue of upgradation of Grade pay with the merger issue or cadre restructuring issue.
It is to mention that when the pay scale of the analogous posts of Assistants/PA's in Central Secretariat Service (CSS) and Central Secretariat Stenographers Service (CSSS) was upgraded w.e.f 15.09.2006 to the scale of Rs. 6500-200-10500 as per Office Memorandum dated 25-09-2006, the pay scale of Section Officer in CSS was also Rs. 6500-200-10500. Moreover, the Post of Assistants and Section officers in CSS were continuing in the same pay scale of Rs. 6500-200-10500 till the implantation of 6th CPC recommendation.There cannot be different yard stick for similar posts.
Our request to the Association to delink the Grade pay issue of Inspector Posts and other issues like merger of IP & ASP and Cadre restructuring. Immediate action may be taken to upgrade the Grade pay of Inspector Posts to Rs.4600 w.e.f 01.01.2006 as already given to Inspectors in CBDT/CBEC and Assistants in CSS. Regarding merger of IP & ASP, judicious decision may be taken along with cadre restructuring. If agreed, the Association may give in writing to the Department.
Regards.
Permanand
Yes, definitely the GP and merger are seperate issue.
Kindly deal them separately through Association for early upgradation before All India Conference in January
IP NE Circle
Dear Parmanand,
I do agree with your contentions. I also do agree that Hon'ble CAT has allowed OA for grant of Rs. 4600/- GP. The merger as demanded by the Department is only for restructuring purpose and GP issue has nothing to do with it.
As regards implementation of Judgement of Hon'ble CAT is concerned, you are requested to check up through your Advocate whether the copy of judgement has been delivered to the respondents and thereafter pursue the case with GS and also let me know so that I may be able to keep track through my resources in MOF. However, if there will be any query regarding heirarchy or otherwise, I shall take up with GS to give merger proposal immediately.
Regards
Harimohan
Sir,
It is absolutely correct that the JTS/STS posts will be blocked for 7-8 years. Now what will be prospect of promotee PSS Gr B. There was similar problems in LDCE Exam before filing court case against excess entry in the 165 point roaster. whereas the representation was increased to 197. Had the Punjab Assoc not knocked the door of Court, the vacancies would have been further increased to 32 and the prospects of 32 Senior ASPOS (in present DPC) would have been in dark atleast for a year or two.
Sir, it is only the Inspector Cadre that is to be tested again, again and again. Now please see the question papers conducted in IP Exam and compared with Question papers conducted in PSS Gr B Exam. One case easily infer that IP question paper was set to recruit JUDICIAL OFFICERS and that of PSS Gr B to recruit CLERK. Sir, this is what is going on for the last so many years and years.
Thanks Harimohanji for appearing in blog and supporting the genuine burning issue of GP.I hope you will continue to support the Permanandji.
ASP Patil
Every one should not that judiciary is above department of posts and finance ministry. There are so many discreminatory orders issued by Govt. departments/ministries against their employees which are set aside by the courts later. Here in the case of GP issue also herarchy problems were raised by the counsel of respondents 1 & 2 but it is not accepted by the CAT which can be clearly seen while going through the Verdict. Then why our leaders including harimohanji are again and again concerning about heirarchial problem that may be projected by finance ministry. Their stance was rejected by the court already.
It is obvious that if our leaders are going side by side with department with merger issue then IPs will get GP 4600 w.e.f from the date of issue of merger of IP and ASP. If otherwise CAT verdict is implemented the IPs will get GP w.e.f 1.1.2006. The difference is that if implemented w.e.f 1.1.2006 the pay of existing IPs on that day can be fixed in such a way that 6500 x 1.86 + GP 4600 = 16690w.e.f 1.1.2006. If implemented as on date of merger all IPs will get a difference of grade pay 4600-4200 = 400 in their basic pay.
Which pay fixation we need. please think over and responde my friends.
Rajan, ASP
Sir,
I disagree with Permanand Sir and the IP NE circle - I guess, we are not here the decision implementers, we can only put our demands forward. One more thing is that I completely agree with Hari mohan sir is - if we do not agree with merger of IP & ASP cadre the CAT decision can even be revoked with an objection that the decision cannot be implemented due to difference in cadres of our department and the other departments (Income tax, Central Excise...). Also we must watch the scenario from the official side as well - What they are willing to do?. I strongly believe that without IP & ASP merger the official side will not agree in any circumstances (as there is no other option) as this can be read between the lines of the recent meeting that took place in Delhi. So I guess only demands should be put forward that could be agreeable. (We should not forget that it took 26 years to bring them to the table)
IP Rajesh, Punjab
All respected members,
I fully agree with ASP Rajan. The interpretation or fear expressed by ASP Rajan are 100% correct. Administration side will definitely try to dilute the CAT decision by mixing several issues or the merger issue. But administration will not succeed without the consent or help of Association. Hence time has arrived how Association would like to help IPOs to get salary hike of 400 GP hike to IPOs from merger date or overall increase of 3000-4000 wef 1.1.2006.Our ex. Association executive members were mute spectators when 6500/-BASIC PAY was implemented for other Inspectors after 5th PC. I have also raised issue similar to ASP Rajan several times in Karnatak blog but the comments are no more exists in Karnatak Circle.I disagree with opinion expressed by Rajesh IP Punjab .Permanand and IP N/E are correct.They have done no harm to IPOs and it doesn't appear that they have any wish to IPOs financially.. There is no issue of merger of IP & ASP mentioned in CAT decision.IP Rajesh is requested to read complete verdict of CAT case. Further the 6th PC has already established the parity of IP with other Inspectors after through study and same has also been established through CAT decision.Hence nothing is left except implementation.I hope my views will be published in the blog.
Sir,
please take up GP issue and cadre restructuring issue separately.
n murali, ASP, TN
Dear Friends,
I am not against merger of IP & ASP. My point is that the upgradation of Grade pay of Inspector Posts and other issues such as merger or cadre restructuring issues should not be linked. We are waiting for pay parity with our counterparts in CBDT/CBEC & Assistants in CSS since 2004. Now, time has come to put our maximum efforts to get the parity. As far as hierarchy issue is concerned, the respondents (i.e MOF & DOP) had raised this issue before the Hon'ble CAT also. Even after considering the hierarchy problem, the Hon'ble CAT has established that there is no justification for denying the Inspector Posts the higher Grade Pay of Rs 4600 when the same is admissible to Inspectors of other Departments with whom parity has been established by the very Sixth Pay Commission.
We may put maximum efforts to get grade pay of Rs.4600 w.e.f 01.01.2006 and after that we may fight for other issues.
Thanks.
Permanand
Sir
Is the point said by Permanandji is clear to all C/S , GS?
Hope all will take necessary efforts for implementation of CAT decision.
Patil,ASP
Dear Hari Ji
I am fully agree with Premanand comments. If u are entered in IP cadre on or after 01.01.2006, you did not take merger and GP simultaneously. All senior ASPs satisfied with the Pay commission salary, because their Basic Pay was high before 01.01.2006. But what about ours. Dear Hari Ji, Think before you leap.
Dear Hari Mohan Ji,
You are requested to take the Grade pay issue and cadre restructuring issue seperately. First try to implement CAT decision.
Dear Harimohan
No mention is seen about the CAT order in the minutes released by Directorate. Didn't you mention about the CAT order in the meeting. And please don't underestimate our ability to resort to agitation if the situation calls. If u had shown the courtesy to attend the CWC held at Patna, u would have known the mood of the members who had assembled there and the spirit and willingness expressed by them to resort to agitation. Moreover, if u could take look at what is happening in Kerala and the courage and spirit shown by our people there jointly with other unions in the fight against PMG, u would realize that we are more than game for a fight if required.
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